Religion Thread

[Kristi]

Isus este fiul lui Israel, pentru ca este fiul lui Iuda, fiul lui David. Fii lui Israel sunt evreii. Deci este scris ca Isus era evreu. Isus a tinut toate poruncile Tatalui, incluzand Sabatul. Intreaba pe evrei ce zi este Sabatul si o sa iti zica ca este Sambata. Acum de ce are minti evreii?

Nu la asta m-am referit. Am spus daca este mentionat in Biblie faptul ca Isus tinea sambata ca Sabat.

Ai cercetat tu si ai ajuns la concluzia ca Sambata nu este Sabatul?

Nu. Ti-am dat tie sansa sa ma luminezi.

Another important thing. I believe we must understand what the covenant is. Let's read the Scriptures: Then the LORD said to Moses, "Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel." ... And He [God] wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant—the Ten Commandments. ~Exodus 34:27-28. So the words of the covenant are the Ten Commandments. Good. As Richard said (if I'm not mistaken) in a previous post, there was nothing wrong with the covenant, but what was wrong is that one of the parties broke the covenant, that is: the Jews.

Am sa adaug si ce a spus Richard, doar ca sa fim pe aceeasi pagina.

Prod 1 I'm glad you brought up these vs. Let's take a close look at them to find out just what they are saying. Let me post the KJV because that's what I'm used to.

Jer.31:31Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
33But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

It says that the Lord is going to make a new covenant with the house of Israel. Why? Because they broke the old covenant. I think the misunderstanding comes in what is meant by the covenant. One is the wording of the covenant or the Ten Commandments. It is not talking about this, because we can readily see that God will write His law on our mind and in our hearts. Well, what is He talking about then? A covenant can also be an agreement between two parties. It says in v. 31Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
When it says a new covenant, it means the agreement with the house of Israel. Notice

Heb.9:6But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
7For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8For finding fault with them,he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

So what this is saying is that the covenant made with the house of Israel was faulty, not because there is anything wrong with the wording of the covenant, but there was fault with them. So, God in His infinite wisdom made the new covenant between not all the house of Israel, but one who was representative of the house of Israel and that would be Jesus Christ. He did not break the covenant, He fullfilled (kept) it.

Si acum continui eu.

So there was nothing wrong with the Ten Commandments. So let us see a verse in Galatians, but first, let's read Hebrews: In the case of a covenant, it is necessary to prove the death of the one who made it, because a covenant is in force only when somebody has died; it never takes effect while the one who made it is living. ~Hebrews 9:16-17 Now let's see Galatians: Brothers, let me take an example from everyday life. Just as no one can set aside or add to a human covenant that has been duly established, so it is in this case. ~Galatians 3:15 So a covenant has been 'duly established' after a certain someone dies, and after that the covenant cannot be changed. The covenant can be changed only as long as that person lives, and not after his death. The words of the covenant are the Ten Commandments. Jesus died without making any change in them. After the person dies, there can be no change in the covenant. Jesus established His covenant with us by His death, and it cannot be changed anymore. My question is: when did the Sabbath day change? Of course, not in a single moment, but over the centuries. It was a slow process; but the fact remains: it was changed after the covenant has been established. A covenant (also called 'will') can only be changed by the person who made the will (i.e.: covenant) and only by that person and only as long as that person didn't die (that is, before that persons death). This is according to the Scriptures. Only Jesus can change it and only as long as it was before the crucifixion (His death). Show me one passage where it Jesus says that the Sabbath has been changed from the seventh day to the first day and that is, while He was walking with us on earth (because a covenant cannot be modified after one's death). Any change of the covenant after the person's death is impossible. Any change in the Ten Commandments (the covenant) after Jesus' death is impossible, because the Bible says so. The Sabbath was changed after Jesus' death because we have not a single hint from Jesus that it was changed. On the contrary! He said that we should pray so our flight would no be on the Sabbath (Matthew 24:20), so He told us that the Sabbath would continue even after His death! This logically means that He made no change in the covenant (i.e.: Ten Commandments) before His death and neither after (but even if He did after, that would be impossible without breaking His word, since a covenant after the person's death cannot be changed) and remember that after one's death the covenant is unchangeable. It is true that Jesus resurrected, but it is also true that He established the covenant with His death.

So let's review. There can be no change in the covenant after the person (that made the covenant) dies. The Covenant is the Ten Commandments. Jesus died, thus establishing the Ten Commandments. A change can be made in the covenant only as long as the person lives (that is, before his death). Jesus didn't change the Sabbath as long as He lived (before His crucifixion). He died establishing the Ten Commandments (i.e.: covenant). After His death, over a slow process, the Catholic Church changed the Sabbath day from the seventh day of the week to the first day of the week. As you see, this change is invalid, since a covenant cannot be changed after one's death. Simple isn't it?

Daca vrei sa faci vreun comentariu, fa-l asupra ceea ce am scris eu.

Deci un schimb in ziua Sabatului dupa moarte lui Mesia nu ar fi valabil. Asa ca schimbul sabatului ar putea fi facut numai de Isus inaintea mortii Sale. Dar El nu a facut asa ceva.

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Nu am citit tot, dar am observat o greseala. Isus nu e mort.

"Dupa moartea lui Mesia" ?? - Acea moarte a fost de scurta durata. A fost. Acum Isus e viu, asta inseamna ca citatul de mai sus nu are rost.