Religion Thread

[Kristi]

Here's a thought legat de varsta lumii: din moment ce Dumnezeu este si a fost etern, de ce a construit lumea tocmai acum 6000 de ani? Asta ar insemna ca a asteptat o eternitate pana sa inceapa sa creeze lumea si daca stai sa te gandesti, in mod normal nici nu ar fi trebuit sa se inceapa vreodata din moment ce inainte de acesti 6000 de ani a fost o eterninate (si dupa cum bine stim, eternitatea nu are sfarsit). Ce vreau sa spun e ca teoria creerii lumi la un moment dat nu prea se imbina cu ideea unui Dumnezeu etern, una dintre cele doua trebuie sa fie gresite. Sper ca are logica - in mintea mea are

Da, inteleg ce zici. Numai ca problema principala e ca in intrebari de genu' asta, aproape mereu se pleaca de la o ideea gresita, lucru care conduce la o concluzie gresita.
Noi, oamenii suntem restransi de timp (nu putem merge in trecut), de spatiu (nu putem fi in mai multe locuri in acelasi timp)... si din acest motiv, noi credem ca si Dumnezeu trebuie sa fie restrans de timp si spatiu. Dumnezeul descris in Biblie e in afara timpului, spatiului. (timpul a fost creat de Dumnezeu la inceput creatiei). Ce a facut Dumnezeu in miliardele si miliardele de ani inainte de creatie? Simplu, inainte de creatie nu exista timpul, tot la fel cum si dupa judecata nu va mai exista timpul.

Uite o mica analogie pe care am gasit-o mai demult pe net si mi se pare destul de interesanta:

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SpoilerI want you to imagine that we have two people, Mr. Flat and Mrs. Flat, and they live in Flat Land. They have only two dimensions. They have only width and length. They have no height at all. They have no comprehension of the third dimension. Their whole world is flat. Everything that they see is in Flat Land. That is their entire world, a two dimensional world. I said, Okay, I have you so far. Now, when Mr. Flat looks at Mrs. Flat, what does he see? He sees a straight line. He can walk around Mrs. Flat and realize that she is indeed a rectangle based upon depth perception. He only sees one dimension, length, but he understands the second dimension based upon experience. She really has two dimensions to her. You and I live in a three dimensional world. We actually see only two dimensions. We can see the width and the height, but we perceive depth based upon experience. We don’t really see three dimensions, we only see two of them. Mr. and Mrs. Flat only see one dimension, and understand the second. Here is Mr. Flat and Mrs. Flat in Flat Land. This table top is where they live. Suppose you, as a three-dimensional creature, wanted to reveal yourself to these two dimensional creatures. You would have to project yourself into their world. Suppose you stick your finger through the table, and Mr. Flat comes over. He looks at the cross section of your finger, which is a circle, and he says, Ah ha! I have seen Bogdan. He is a circle. A little further over you stick three fingers through the table. Mrs. Flat goes over, and she sees three circles. She says, Oh, no honey, I’ve seen Bogdan. He is three circles. They are going to argue for awhile, and they are going to split the church. They are going to start the church of the one circle and the church of the three circles, but neither one of them really have any comprehension of who you are. You cannot put a three dimensional object into two dimensions in a way that it can be fully comprehended. It simply cannot be done. Now, with that thought in mind, maybe God has more than three dimensions.